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Thanet Roadrunners => General Discussion => Topic started by: Andy Stevens on March 20, 2016, 01:38:07 PM

Title: EA membership
Post by: Andy Stevens on March 20, 2016, 01:38:07 PM
£13 for 2016 ?  I'm sure it only used to be a fiver or is my memory failing me ?  I won't be paying it as will need to enter 7 events a year to get value for money and don't tend to do that many any more.

Apart from the discounted race entry is there any other benefit to being a member of EA ?
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on March 21, 2016, 10:46:25 AM
Tell me about it - I have emailed them urgently for clarification as worryingly reading the blurb it appears to look like you can't wear a club vest unless you are EA affiliated.  Watch this space!
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on March 21, 2016, 01:05:22 PM
Hmmmm - just had the following response from Andi Drake at EA

 "While road runners will still be able to compete unattached, athletes, who wish to represent their club (and claim the registered athlete discount on entry fees) in road running events, will need to be registered."

Hope that clarifies the situation for unaffiliated members of Thanet Roadrunners AC.

So EA are going to make us pay twice if we wish to represent our club!!  >:( >:(
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Tanya Edwards on March 21, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
EA have just got worse! Not a lot of benefit in joining for the average club runner as you have to do over 7 races to get value for money. I think its disgusting if I have to be affiliated to be able to wear my club vest.
This year they reduced the number of club places we are entitled to for London marathon to 1. the same entitlement as a club with only 1 member affiliated (over 18). How is that fair when we have nearly 90 affiliated adults?
Maybe if we all individually complain to them it might make a difference? Probably not..... but worth a try?
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on March 21, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
Here's the Road Running contact person - Andi Drake

adrake@englandathletics.org 
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Andy Stevens on March 21, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
Yes that doesn't sound good at all.  I'm not up on all the rules but does TRRAC need to be affiliated to EA ?
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on March 23, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
Sadly we do Andy - it is all to do with insurance cover for our events and being able to take groups out running etc and to allow track competition for the juniors

Sadly EA seem to be taking the line that road runners are an easy target to raise cash >:(
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on March 24, 2016, 05:27:02 PM
Andy, Sharon, Tanya etc.

I have asked them if you can run in club vest but pay the full fee. Andi Drake sent me the paragraph from the message and I replied saying it was ambiguous. He/She then buck-passed, told me to write to the contact address on their website, which I did, no reply so far. I know Sharon has also emailed several people with no response, it really is outrageous. Yes, Andy, you are right, it wasn't that long ago it was £5 then they put it up to £10 then £12 and now £13 which is an increase of 160% in about five years. They have also, I think, doubled the Club affiliation fee from £50 to £100 in the same time. I am sure it was only £50 when I was Treasurer. They have got us over a barrel, we can huff and puff all we like but I suspect it is a case of TOUGH!

Bill
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Andy Stevens on March 26, 2016, 08:48:29 AM
I got the same reply from them.  I am thinking, if people feel strongly about it, they can still be a member of TRR but run as unaffiliated in events ?  That would be a way around it whilst still belonging to the best running club in the world !
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on March 26, 2016, 10:37:27 AM
Andy

Of course anybody can run unaffiliated. I think the main point is that if they don't allow you to put your club down on the entry form it will not come up in the results. More importantly, it will mean those runners will not score points in GP races. Take yesterday for example, you have probably scored a bundle of points for the club, but if that race had been a week later you would have scored zero unless you were affiliated. There is nothing to stop an unaffiliated runner wearing whatever vest they want in a race, so we could all continue to wear club tops whether we were affiliated or not but only those affiliated would score. It is just a bloody mess.

Bill
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on March 29, 2016, 10:51:02 AM
Another example of EA's greed in seeing road runners as a cash cow!  Hopefully we will get some clarification this week. 
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on March 30, 2016, 10:18:41 AM
Sharon

The big problem is getting the clubs to act in unison. We are probably in a different position to some of the other clubs who are more competitively minded, it won't affect them at all apart from the extra £1 over last year. We are an all inclusive club, a fact I am proud of, and we welcome folk who just want to run for fun and keep fit. It was one of the reasons I joined Thanet rather than, for example Canterbury Harriers, who are a lot closer to me. You only need to see the difference in the number of tops we have at a race compared to Maidstone, Paddock Wood, Dartford etc. To be brutally frank, I doubt if England Athletics give a toss what Thanet Roadrunners think of them, they are holding all the cards!

Bill
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Ian Lockyer on April 04, 2016, 09:56:22 AM
Sorry for the delay..just did my membership online...but no EA membership this year...don't do enough races and run just for fun.

If I enter any races, I will wear my club vest even though I wont be accredited to being a member/club championships.

Doesn't matter though...proud to be part of the club and a TRACCIE!
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on April 04, 2016, 12:47:55 PM
Its a bit of a joke really - I spent several hours doing the EA affiliations at the weekend and it says "if the club has not paid its £100 affiliation fee then individual members' affiliations will not be valid" or something like that - talk about making money for nothing.  I would love to know exactly what they are spending the money on! >:(
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Andy Stevens on April 04, 2016, 12:48:26 PM
Ditto Ian.  No EA membership for me either this year.  I don't do enough races and think they are taking the p*ss.  So I will still wear the vest but will officially be entered as "unaffiliated" in events and won't be in club champs etc. 
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on April 04, 2016, 02:48:25 PM
I am going to bring this matter up at the Committee meeting on Wednesday. I feel as if the club ought to be doing something to encourage more folk to take part in the GP races. It also disappoints me how few folk take part in non-GP races, many of them excellent ones with great PB potential. I know folk younger than me, the ladies in particular, have commitments I don't have and that their Sundays are precious family time. I understand that, but the Paddock Wood Half, for example, had only 3 TRAC members running.
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Rick Ryder on April 08, 2016, 09:05:50 PM
copy sent to EA

Hi EA, we shall never meet but i am a typical club member, came into running at aged 50 .. fat very unfit and started running walking  2 miles.. well you know the rest a typical story and 12 World Marathons later.... but the bug starts with a 2014 VLM club place via EA placing under our club policy of.... must have helped or marshaled 2 events and have a VLM BALLOT REJECTION SLIP. now i understand fees must raise to improve the EA profile... but to find the allocated VLM places have dramatically been reduced (to 1 place despite 90 adult members!) is a double whammy too far! our / your membership are up in arms may i suggest you tell the people in position of power "the natives are revolting...."

with an expected marathon time of 4.5 hours I'm smack in the middle of peak average finisher time, so unlikely ever to get a good for age, the graph suggests unlikely ever to get a ballot place... and now unlikely ever to get a club place! "if" i was a selfish person i would be asking "whats the point?"

so if all i read on my club forum is true?...  http://www.thanetroadrunners.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=303.msg944;topicseen#new having enjoyed easy access to the Barcelona, Moscow and last weekend Alexander The Great Marathon Greece (thank the lords for easy jet!)  I will be asking my club secretary to rescind my EA membership and donate it towards junior costs
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on April 10, 2016, 11:57:58 AM
Rick

Good luck with that, I suspect it will be water off a ducks back.

Andy

Whether you are EA affiliated or not your entry into GP races, which of course are our club championships, WILL count towards Club Champs. I will be telling everybody at the club meeting on Wednesday what needs to happen going forward and it will also be put on the website.

Whether affiliated or not a member must run in club top to score in club championships. The Webmaster will post the "official" results showing every affiliated member who took part. Members who were unaffiliated and took part will be asked to let the Webmaster know their name, position and time within 7 days of the race and the Club Championship table will be amended.

Hope that helps.

Bill

Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on April 11, 2016, 11:33:36 AM
Rick - I have emailed you

Bill I agree
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Ian Lockyer on April 11, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
Hi Bill. 

The other thing that needs to be taken into consideration about the club championships is the amount of time that Ed has taken in organising, collating and pubicising it on the web.  Ed wont be in that position and someone may need to take that work on.


PS apologies if other people are involved in this process.
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Ed Heardman on April 12, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
Hi Ian,
No panic, for now at least! I'm happy to see this year's champs through. But then someone else will have to take it over next year....
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on April 13, 2016, 09:54:09 AM
Ed

If we can get somebody else to act as Webmaster I am quite happy to take over the spreadsheet. After all, spreadsheets were my "bread and butter" for the whole of my working life.

Bill
Title: VERY INTERESTING - Please read
Post by: Bill Wright on April 24, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
Following all the kerfuffle about EA and their diktat that you must be an EA member to run for your club in GP races, I have just entered the Deal Dinosaur 10k on 24th July, which is a GP race. I entered via Runners World, who of course charge you £2 for the privelege. I entered as affilated, put TRAC down as my club and then was asked, in a non-mandatory box, for affiliation number "if known". I did not put anything in and my entry was accepted.

For years I have suspected that the RW site works on the basis of the Club being affiliated not the individual. If you book a race through RW at the £2 cheaper affiliated rate you must put down a club name, but you do not have to put an affiliation number because, presumably, they know that most members will not know what their club's affiliation number is. This might be a way for folk like Andy to continue to score points in the GP races without being an EA member.
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Steve King on April 29, 2016, 10:23:04 AM
The Junior membership is also affected by England Athletics' latest money-making scheme. To compete for the club in league events, they now have to be individually registered with EA.   After our successful first season in the Kent Young Athletes' League last year, it looks as though TRAC representation will be reduced this year as a result of the rule change.  A great pity, considering some of these athletes are still at primary school and getting their first taste of 'proper' competition.  Just the stage at which you would think the national governing body should be doing everything they can to encourage participation, not putting obstacles in the way.

The email sent to KYAL team managers from KCAA this morning included this paragraph:

As you are aware from 1 April the UK Athletics Rules for Competition has changed and athletes who compete in competition must now be registered (Rule 21 S1(i)). England Athletics are checking these registrations with the assistance of competition providers to ensure all athletes who have competed have been registered to their National Association. Should a competitor not be registered they will be liable to disqualification and in such a case the competition shall be decided as if the ineligible competitor had not taken part (Rule 21 S1(ii)). To aid the registration process athletes will have one week’s grace to enable clubs to register their athletes retrospectively (Rule 21 S1 (iv)).   This applies to all age groups even u13s.
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Sharon Foster on April 29, 2016, 02:35:03 PM
Steve this week will be the last before the second week in June I will be processing memberships so if you have any juniors who need to affiliate can you remind them please?
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Bill Wright on April 29, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
Steve

At the last club meeting the suggestion was made from the floor that the Club should sponsor the EA membership fees for competing juniors to encourage them to carry on competing. We are currently looking at how many that would need to be so if either you or Sharon can let me know before next Wednesday I am happy to take a costed proposal to the next committee meeting.

Bill
Title: Re: EA membership
Post by: Andy Stevens on May 22, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Just an update to this - entered North Downs and, following Bill's advice, didn't enter an EA reg number in runners world but put TRR down as the club and, hey presto, entry went through as affiliated.